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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 615

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for the 26th of july 2020

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happy birthday cordelia coming up on

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this week's show we're going to kick off

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with a story about

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paleo pete pete evans the tv chef

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and the man making a name for himself as

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a conspiracy theorist and someone

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you may remember was fined

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for selling fake covert 19

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cure machines treatment machines

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something bizarre

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like that he's been discouraging people

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wearing masks in melbourne and right now

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masks are mandatory in melbourne

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has he said we'll find out

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at the top of the show following that

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it's an interesting little

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interlude we have susan gerbic from

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gorilla skepticism on wikipedia and a

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host of other skeptics

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including some podcasters now susan had

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and after was all over we have a bit of

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a bit of a chat

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we um what's the word the wash up the

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debrief there's another word i'm looking

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for anyway we talk about

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susan's psychic reading

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and my goodness me susan gerbic has been

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on uh on the interwebs lately with lots

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various skeptics from around the world

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then we have a story which we mentioned

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last week

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the australian skeptics have released a

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press uh statement

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and general information about the vaxxed

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bus

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touring queensland at the moment

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and we will read out some of the more

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what's a polite way of saying it

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um wacky bizarre

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crazy loony conspiracy theories the

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of this vaxxed bus are into and that's

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after that it's the logical fallacies

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with michelle bickersma

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this week michelle's going to be looking

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at the new true scotsman

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oh i'm going to get in trouble say that

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bad scottish accent the no true scotsman

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what is that logical fallacy all about

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it's an interesting name

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find out a bit later on then

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some people lost in a rowboat

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from the future people

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lost in a rowboat from the future

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find out a bit later on and we're going

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to round off this week's episode

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with a reading from the book of tim tim

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and the executive officer of australian

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skeptics and

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editor of that fine journal the skeptic

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tim's going to be reading more

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interesting what goes round sections

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the skeptic magazine well it's a bit of

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a wet weekend here in sydney australia

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but spring

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can't be too far away look out for those

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but a few more weeks of winter won't go

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amiss but now it's time for me to run

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and have something i haven't had for a

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chicken noodle soup yes chicken noodle

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this story comes to us from news.com.u

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written by stephanie bedo pete evans

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suggests followers should stop wearing

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celebrity chef pete evans gave his

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facebook followers advice on avoiding

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a 200 find for not wearing a face mask

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before quickly deleting it pete

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that suggested people in victoria

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legal expert the celebrity chef shared

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saying he didn't know the validity of

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quote free legal advice to all

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victorians end quote

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he said in the now deleted facebook post

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every single one of you 6.359 million

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victorians can challenge the fines in

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the victorian government won't fight you

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in court it's far too expensive for them

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to do so evans who claims the pandemic

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also shared a series of memes to his

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appearing to make fun of the use of

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the former my kitchen rules star

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with seven news in melbourne running a

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hospital clip that appeared to come from

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new york city in march people on social

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media said evan's claims were

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and could quote endanger lives and

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of the outbreak end quote late last

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suggesting the coronavirus pandemic was

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as global cases reached 10.3 million and

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mark evans shared a meme comparing a

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quote covet according to the media covet

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in real life end quote evans captured

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stop being quote medicated end quote by

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i sure do miss going to those skeptical

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who the hell are you i'm your skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

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skeptical what relax richard

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i can make your wish come true what

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skeptics cafe online by the vic skeptics

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skeptical talks via zoom

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to join in on the third monday of the

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for details that sounds great a

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um god fairy angel mother um

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here's susan gerbic

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well folks i've just had a very

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susan gerbic we just

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revealing

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this is a standard tour and and the rest

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of the the people who are watching

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impressions i thought susan did a

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spectacular job of not

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helping the psychic she was

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not rude not nasty she wasn't

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silent but her reactions were

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incredibly devoid of meaning

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the psychic would say something and

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susan would say okay

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not yes that's right not no not you got

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it right not you got it wrong but

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okay well that's interesting or words to

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that effect yes

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i found i found i thought you did it

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very well indeed susan

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i thought susan was very poised

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and in she was

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in control of herself and her own

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reactions

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i if if it had been me there's

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i have a lot of reasons for secretly

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i'm a hardcore skeptic and i would

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i secretly wish i could communicate with

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somebody who's died

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oh yeah and and it's and

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i'm afraid even in the you know like

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in the midst of an experiment

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i would i would break up i would i

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wouldn't be able to control my own

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reactions i thought susan was

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spectacular

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but boy the psychics the the tricks that

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that woman was

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was employing whether it was just

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something that she learned or by

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um um experience

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or wishing to be a good psychic

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and learning all the cold reading tricks

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she was good at what she was doing too

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she was and i think if it was anybody

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else she would have

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probably had a flying reason kenny

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biddle can i ask you you you

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are yet to to watch the whole thing

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yourself but have you had much

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experiences of

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uh observing psychic readings along your

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uh adventures absolutely absolutely i've

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learned a lot i i can credit mark edward

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and and susan for a lot of the stuff

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that i've learned over the years

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because of the psychic stings that i've

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been involved with with susan and mark

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uh but i i regularly attend psychic

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fairs

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and sit with right sometimes dozens of

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psychics

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in one day and i've learned over the

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years

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to do exactly what susan does curb my

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emotions

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i i am aware of my facial expressions

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i'm aware of my head

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and make sure i do not nod up and down

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or side to side

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uh i engaged the psychic i

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usually say okay rather than yes or no

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uh i i just accept that what they're

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saying

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i acknowledge it that's pretty much it

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and

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i have found that within if if i do like

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a 15

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to 20 minute reading it usually only

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lasts about five minutes

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because you're not getting

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if feedback was a psychic i'd kick you

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out too

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i'm not getting anything next person

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usually that's what happens half the

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time i get my money back

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they actually give me my money back and

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tell me to go away um

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but yeah yeah it usually ends within

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five minutes because

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i don't give any feedback right and i

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think

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you don't feed the psychic yeah you

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don't get it

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they they can't read you they they they

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come up to dead ends all over the place

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susan this was a fascinating

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uh hour for all of us to observe will

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this be available for three hours

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two hours well two and a half hours now

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we're at

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oh my gosh it's all gonna be on my

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youtube channel about time presents

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so if somebody wants to watch the full

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two and a half hours you're more than

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welcome to

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well look folks i'll put a link to that

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in this week's show notes

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and if you've got the time why don't you

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eavesdrop like the rest of us did live

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you can each drop sort of post the event

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and it's a fascinating study in a well

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what we can call with air quotes a real

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psychic reading so

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everybody who's uh allowed me to

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commandeer your

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uh zoom meeting susan thank you very

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much and i look forward to

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the next one thank you richard

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me to attend

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conventions in australia but this year

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is different skepticon 2020 the

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this year australian skeptics celebrates

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their 36th

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consecutive annual convention the

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longest running skeptical event

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the lineup of speakers covers medicine

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mention some of the best

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science communicators

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it truly is a festival exploring science

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have

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mythbuster

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dr michael foley join the list of

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speakers

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opposition to water fluoridation has

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been around ever since its

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implementation in the 1940s

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with opponents stating anything from

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risk and even government mind control

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in their arguments dr michael foley is a

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a past president of the australian

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and an advocate for water fluoridation

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and public health

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he discusses the science and the

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conspiracies in his talk

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water fluoridation gobs mobs

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and nut jobs with so much to look

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and remember to be rationable

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call to action on anti-vaccination bus

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tour now this comes to us from the

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australian

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dot skeptics at a u published on the

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nineteenth of july twenty twenty

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australian skeptics have issued a

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warning and a call to action to the

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australian media

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medical professionals and local councils

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regarding the current anti-vaccination

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revival tour of rural and regional

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australia

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a vaxxed bus delivers covert 19

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conspiracies

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and bad advice the so-called

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vaxxed bus is currently touring

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australia

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spreading misinformation about

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vaccination at local

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revival style meetings often in regional

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venues owned or managed by local

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councils or schools

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this big black bus carries the logo of

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the

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australian vaccination risks network

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avn an organization whose leaders

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have claimed covert 19 is nothing more

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than a bad

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cold encouraged people to take

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photos in hospitals to show that covert

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19 is not serious

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discouraged face masks for curved 19 and

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stated that temperature testing

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is crazy and stupid likened

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vaccination to rape claimed

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microchips could be injected into the

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population via vaccines

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promoted the falsehood that contrails

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from aircraft

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which they call chemtrails are used to

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poison

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the population spread the

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discredited falsehood that vaccines lead

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to autism

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propagated the myth that sudden infant

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death

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syndrome and the fatal injuries suffered

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by some babies who were shaken to death

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are really the result of vaccines

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with the recent resurgence of covet 19

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in parts of the country

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now is not the time to have anyone

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spread disinformation

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about the pandemic or vaccine

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preventable diseases

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it is clear from their own statements

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that the organizers of this tour

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do not take the threat of covet 19

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seriously in 2014

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the new south wales health care

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complaints commission

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issued a public warning against this

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organization

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stating in part warning the commission

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has established that avn does not

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provide reliable information in relation

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to certain vaccines

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and vaccination more generally the

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commission considers that avn's

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dissemination of misleading

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misrepresented

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and incorrect information about

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vaccination engenders fear and alarm

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and is likely to detrimentally affect

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the clinical management or care

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of its readers the australian skeptics

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notice goes on to say medical

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professionals

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should be aware that the vaxxed bus may

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be visiting their area

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this will mean that current and

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potential patients may be exposed to

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dangerous

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misinformation that can have deleterious

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if not fatal consequences anti-vaccine

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messages

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should be actively resisted and we

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encourage local medical professionals to

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take a stand on the issue

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either via local media social media or

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whatever public avenues exists in their

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area

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media we advise the media to take great

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care when covering the

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vaxxed bus and the australian

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vaccination risks network

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they use the tactic of tell both sides

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of the story

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also known as false balance a

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misrepresentation

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that the abc's media watch is covered

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with regard to this organization in 2012

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the media are advised to focus on the

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more

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bizarre conspiracy theories propagated

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but are under no obligation to give this

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group

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the oxygen they seek local councils

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should consider very carefully the

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possible consequences

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of hiring out venues to this

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organization with parts of regional

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australia recording

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a worrying low level of vaccination in a

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time of a global pandemic

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encouraging parents not to vaccinate

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their children

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then we have a series of quotes attached

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to this

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this release quote

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we have one of the safest outcomes when

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it comes to

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preventable diseases in the world

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because of

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our strong immunization program and

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anti-vaxxers should just butt out

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vaccination has saved lives it's safe

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it's effective

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and anyone that tried to create any

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other discussion against it

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is really trying to harm the australian

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public end quote

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australian medical association president

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dr tony bartoni

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on radio 2gb on the 20th of april 2020.

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another one quote there has been

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somewhat of an upsurge

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in paranoid and sort of unhinged

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behaviors

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end quote and that's from the ama state

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president

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in south australia dr chris moy

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abc news the 21st of may 2020

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and another one quote it is concerning

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that the reports that i have received

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are that some people believe that

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coronavirus

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is a conspiracy or that it won't

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impact on them end quote and that's from

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victoria's health minister

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jenny mccuckes and that was on the 7

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news july 2020.

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now it's important to note that

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accompanying every claim

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made in this release are references

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so when we read for example that the

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organizers behind the tour claim that

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sudden infant death syndrome and shaken

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baby syndrome

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are could be a result of vaccination

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there is a reference

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and in that case the reference says

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anti-vaxxers come up with their most

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00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:20,960
abhorrent lie yet quote so

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00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,080
shaken baby syndrome again like sids

638
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,799
is a wastebasket it is a way of blaming

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the family for what may have been caused

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by the medical community end quote and

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that is

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to be found at www.mammamia.comavn

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but uh all the all the claims that i've

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mentioned in that

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00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,279
release have a link a reference

646
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right on the page itself so for more

647
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,880
information just head for

648
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skeptics.com.au you can read that

649
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,039
information sheet for yourself

650
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:59,360
and i encourage you to share that link

651
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,159
around

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in my state of new south wales we are on

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a knife's

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edge we really are the uh the number of

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infections is

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creeping up a little bit and it could

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creep up a lot more to become again a

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real spike in this uh

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pandemic the people in victoria

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are suffering high numbers of infections

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every day at least for the past week

662
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so as the paper says

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the release says with the recent upsurge

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of covert 19 in parts of the country

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now is not the time to have anyone

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spread disinformation

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about the pandemic or vaccine

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preventable diseases

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now is not the time to have people

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cry and whinge and whine about wearing

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masks

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now is not the time to discourage people

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having their temperature tested

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00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,760
and we've all seen what happens when we

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00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,520
start to relax when we start to let our

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00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,960
guard down when we start to think

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00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,200
everything's going to be fine and good

678
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,559
the damage to the economy is

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00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,000
terrible but that is insignificant

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00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:15,200
to the damage to everyday people

681
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,679
you and me the community the australian

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00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,080
community when it comes to this pandemic

683
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,360
with lives ended people

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00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,799
debilitated with this disease and

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:29,039
the effect will be far-reaching for

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years to come

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[Music]

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head to www.skeptics.com.edu

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00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:40,240
and you can read that information sheet

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00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:41,750
for yourself

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[Music]

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the earth is only six thousand years old

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that's what answers in genesis

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00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:55,360
and the creation museum say and how can

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a museum

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00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,399
be wrong isn't dr oz just wonderful

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i loved today's episode it didn't talk

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down to his adoring audience of women

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at all science has proved that the

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subatomic

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quantum realm is as real as it is

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counter-intuitive and bizarre

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therefore i can use it to support

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quantum healing and quantum

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consciousness

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after all how can journals like aquarius

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metaphysics be wrong

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00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,440
evolution is just a theory after all if

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we came from monkeys then why are there

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00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,200
still monkeys

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more

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well if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

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never getting anywhere we have a

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solution for you

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join the guerrilla skepticism and

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and we will teach you how to add

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reliable scientific and skeptical

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information

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to the world's number one source of

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we write new articles and improve

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existing ones we remove pseudoscience

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paranormal and ultimate claims

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substituting the actual facts

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and we operate in many languages we've

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already reached

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tens of millions of people searching for

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but as you can imagine we can never do

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enough so please

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join us all you need is a pc and a

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desire to help educate the planet

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in fact you'll be educating the world

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while you sleep contact

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us at gsow team gmail.com

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[Music]

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musicbypurpleplanet.com

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[Music]

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00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,750
what are logical fallacies and why is it

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00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,600
important that critical thinkers should

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00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,240
know about them

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00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,559
a logical fallacy is an error we can

746
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,240
make in reasoning

747
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:02,159
but it usually crops up when we are

748
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,630
some people might even knowingly use

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00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,960
them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,120
due to intellectual laziness

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00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,679
they are traps we can fall into but if

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00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,519
we know what to look out for

754
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:21,600
we can spot them when they occur and

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stop ourselves from using them

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[Music]

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this time we'll look at no true scotsman

758
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,360
this interesting sounding fallacy comes

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00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,720
to us from the notion

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that all scotsmen are brave and if one

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turns out to be a coward

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00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:42,960
then he cannot really be a true

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00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,000
scotsman this fallacy can be used by

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00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,399
your opponent to change the parameters

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00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,799
of an argument to seem to save them from

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00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,320
being wrong

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00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,640
it's a type of moving the goal post

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00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,640
fallacy which we covered in an

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earlier episode an online video

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showing some of the tricks behind

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00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,760
applied kinesiology

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00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:06,320
had a skeptic pushing down on someone's

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00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,960
arm

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00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,360
at different angles to get different

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00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,559
results

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however according to kinesiologists

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this is not how real applied kinesiology

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00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,720
is done at all applied kinesiology is

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00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:23,039
the modality that claims that ailments

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00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,080
in the body can be

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00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,039
diagnosed via muscle testing it is

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00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,000
considered to be a pseudoscience

783
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,720
the video referred to as real made by

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richard saunders

785
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and many of the unhappy comments on this

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video from applied kinesiologists

787
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use the no true scotsman fallacy

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see for yourself by looking up applied

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kinesiology

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00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,679
how it's done on youtube

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00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:51,840
then watch the countless other videos

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00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,399
from applied kinesiologists themselves

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00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,320
doing more or less the same sort of

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thing

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00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:01,279
therefore protesting that one example is

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not

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00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,960
real kinesiology doesn't get the

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modality off the hook when it

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really is all a variation of the same

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basic practice

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00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,679
so the skeptics tested all these water

802
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,520
diviners huh

803
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,359
and they all failed well either the test

804
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,399
was wrong

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00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:25,040
all those diviners were just doing it

806
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:25,440
wrong

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or they weren't real diviners at all

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once again we have an example based on a

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real event

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00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,919
when water diviners fail tests conducted

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by the australian skeptics or similar

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organizations around the world

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and by the way that is a hundred percent

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of the time

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so far other definers or believers in

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divining will sometimes

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claim that the participants simply did

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not know what they were doing

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as any real diviner would have passed

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the tests

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i'm sorry but if you believe in a god or

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gods

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then you are not a real skeptic

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00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,440
some people can get quite worked up if

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00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:09,280
they find others in the skeptical

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movement

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00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,200
also happen to have a religious faith

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but for many skeptical groups one's

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religion or lack thereof

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is simply not of great importance

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00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,079
they can still be skeptics while many

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skeptics are atheists

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00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,270
sometimes it's easier to dismiss

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something or someone who does not live

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up to our

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ideals as not being really part of

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what makes those ideals important to us

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as with many logical fallacies this one

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revolves around

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us keeping our particular worldview safe

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from

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contradictory information

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and

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even knowing its name is important when

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arguing your point of view

847
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,880
however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

850
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,480
to your opponent when you hear it being

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00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,560
used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,920
one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,280
use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

858
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,280
and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,800
and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:41,760
day

864
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:45,040
and as skeptics we must also remember

865
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,640
that we too can be wrong at times

866
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
[Music]

867
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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,760
skeptics thanks for listening

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00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,119
have we cited any land yet no

870
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,160
nothing nothing just ocean as far as the

871
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,109
according to our charts we should have

872
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:23,280
reached the arctic ice shelf

873
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:27,440
um two days ago hmm

874
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,470
yes looking at the compass

875
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:39,680
our heading our speed

876
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,359
we should be about about

877
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,720
here which places us

878
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:49,760
20 kilometers inland on the snow i don't

879
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:50,000
get

880
00:37:59,470 --> 00:37:54,320
it how old is the chart um

881
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,480
this chart was produced in 2021

882
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:02,640
2021 now you're using

883
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,320
a 30 year old chart so i mean a chart is

884
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,359
a chart right

885
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,839
it's not like the whole expanse of ice

886
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,359
and snow can

887
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,839
just disappear have you been in a cave

888
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:16,160
for the last few decades

889
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,200
heard of global warming global warming

890
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,320
don't tell me you fall for that you see

891
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,440
i don't trust the so-called mainstream

892
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,560
media

893
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,119
and you remember that expression they

894
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:32,800
used in the olden days

895
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,000
fake news when it comes to so-called

896
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,599
climate change i do my own research

897
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:43,040
so so what if it's a little warm out at

898
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:43,839
the moment

899
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,440
a little warm at 32 degrees celsius at 7

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00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,040
pm

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00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:53,280
oh okay um you go keep a lookout from

902
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:54,160
the bell

903
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,480
i have some work to do okay to

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00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,520
the organizer really huge

905
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:06,560
and amazing adventure tours

906
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,069
australia

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00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,270
i am writing to you about

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00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:24,400
the so-called travel buddy

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00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,640
you paired me with on my do it yourself

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00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,920
arctic adventure and discovery tour

911
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,520
by rowboat is it possible

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00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,800
that your supercomputer the

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00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,839
maga 2020

914
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,040
has somehow made an error when

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00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:50,320
matching us i

916
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,200
had a similar problem on my last outing

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00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:58,320
with your organization

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00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:01,839
when i was matched with someone

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00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,119
who refused to wear a face mask on our

920
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,400
walking tour

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00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,240
of the covered 2030 wastelands

922
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,520
so i really must question

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00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:16,800
the wisdom of using

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00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:27,030
yours etc etc

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00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:30,309
ps also note

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00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:33,520
the five liters of sunblock lotion

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00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:44,230
ran out about four days ago

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00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:47,430
about time hmm

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00:41:00,440 --> 00:40:50,839
should there be palm trees

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00:41:07,250 --> 00:41:03,750
[Music]

931
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,260
and now a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

933
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:12,790
with tim mendham

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00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,990
hi my name is tim mendem i'm editor of

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00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,480
australian skeptics magazine the skeptic

936
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
and executive officer for australian

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00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,240
skeptics inc

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00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,079
today i'll be reading from the section

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00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,319
of the magazine called what goes around

940
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,720
in which stories start at one place go

941
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,680
all the way around

942
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,079
and end up where they started and this

943
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,359
time i'll be looking at a piece that

944
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:38,720
covers psychics

945
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:43,150
writers psychologists and imbibers

946
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,309
it starts off with the idiomota effect

947
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,160
now the idiomotor effect

948
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,640
is a psychological phenomenon wherein a

949
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,440
subject

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00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,400
makes motions unconsciously as in

951
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,880
reflexive responses to pain the body

952
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,880
sometimes reacts reflexively

953
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,520
to ideas alone without the person

954
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,000
consciously deciding to take action

955
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,079
for instance tears are produced by the

956
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,520
body unconsciously

957
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,480
in reaction to powerful emotions many

958
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,920
subjects are unconvinced that their

959
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,280
actions are originating

960
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,520
solely from within themselves some have

961
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,760
attributed this motion to paranormal

962
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,560
or supernatural force examples of

963
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,160
activity that have also been attributed

964
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,760
to the effect of this phenomenon

965
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,839
include dowsing facilitator

966
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:31,119
communication

967
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,119
ouija boards and automatic writing

968
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,599
automatic writing or psychography is

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00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:39,359
writing which the writer states to be

970
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,079
produced

971
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,400
from a subconscious and or spiritual

972
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,200
source

973
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,880
without conscious awareness of the

974
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,240
content

975
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,280
george or georgie hyde lee's the wife of

976
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:51,440
william butler yates the poet

977
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,400
claimed that she could write

978
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,880
automatically psychology professor

979
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,480
theodore flornay

980
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,960
investigated the claim by 19th century

981
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,599
medium

982
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:01,359
helene smith whose real name was

983
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,720
catherine muller

984
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,640
that she did automatic writing to convey

985
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,319
messages from mars

986
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,200
in martian language florna concluded

987
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,640
that her martian language

988
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,400
had a strong resemblance to her native

989
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,920
language of french

990
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,599
and that her automatic writing was

991
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,240
romances of the subliminal imagination

992
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,640
derived largely from forgotten sources

993
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:21,440
for example

994
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:24,640
books read as a child he invented the

995
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,119
term

996
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,760
crypto amnesia to describe this

997
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,280
phenomenon

998
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,839
now cryptomnesia occurs when a forgotten

999
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,960
memory returns

1000
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:35,040
without it being recognized as such by

1001
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,000
the subject

1002
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:38,000
who believes it is something new and

1003
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,200
original

1004
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,440
it is a memory bias whereby a person may

1005
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,720
falsely recall

1006
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:45,280
generating a thought an idea a song or a

1007
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,240
joke

1008
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,960
not deliberately engaging in plagiarism

1009
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,880
but rather experiencing a memory

1010
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,520
as if it were a new inspiration it may

1011
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,839
be their own original but earlier idea

1012
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,200
or something they have heard or read

1013
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,520
elsewhere carl gustav jung

1014
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,440
treated the subject in his thesis on the

1015
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,680
psychology and pathology of so-called

1016
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,200
occult phenomena

1017
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,640
and in an article called cryptognesia

1018
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:11,200
nietzsche byron robert louis stevenson

1019
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,319
helen keller

1020
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,480
and even the beatle george harrison have

1021
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,480
all suffered cryptomnesia

1022
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,440
at some stage noted psychologist b.f

1023
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,240
skinner

1024
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,240
described his own experience of crypto

1025
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,359
amnesia

1026
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,880
and he said one of the most

1027
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,280
disheartening experiences of old age

1028
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,920
is discovering a point you just made so

1029
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,800
significant

1030
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,280
so beautifully expressed was made by you

1031
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,359
in something you published long ago

1032
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,200
bf skinner's full name was boris

1033
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,560
frederick skinner

1034
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,640
and he was an american behaviorist

1035
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,920
author inventor

1036
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,400
social philosopher poet and professor of

1037
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:46,480
psychology at harvard university

1038
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,599
from 1958 until his retirement in 1974

1039
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,440
skinner invented the operant

1040
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,880
conditioning chamber

1041
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,359
used in laboratory experiments to test

1042
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:58,800
for learned behaviour

1043
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,079
as in rats pressing a button for food

1044
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,359
in a june 2002 survey skinner was listed

1045
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,440
as the most influential psychologist

1046
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,200
of the 20th century throughout his

1047
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,200
career skinner insisted that psychology

1048
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,480
should be a scientific

1049
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,040
empirically driven discipline devoted to

1050
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,640
the collection of massive numbers of

1051
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,319
observations of behaviours

1052
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:21,280
and the stimuli that bring them about he

1053
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:22,240
was named

1054
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,079
aha humanist of the year in 1972

1055
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,800
and in 1987 published a humanist

1056
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:29,680
alternative

1057
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,880
to alcoholics anonymous 12 steps

1058
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,560
a different approach to alcoholism was

1059
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,119
promoted by william benjamin carpenter

1060
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,920
an english physician invertebrate

1061
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:40,960
zoologist

1062
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,000
and physiologist his most famous work is

1063
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,240
use and abuse of alcoholic liquors

1064
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,240
which was one of the first books to

1065
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,480
promote the fact that alcoholism is a

1066
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,640
disease

1067
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,400
carpenter was instrumental in the early

1068
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,160
stages of the unified university of

1069
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,359
london

1070
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,359
his father was an important unitarian

1071
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,680
preacher from whom carpenter inherited a

1072
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,400
belief

1073
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,480
in the essential lawfulness of the

1074
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,520
creation

1075
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,520
that natural causes were the explanation

1076
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,359
of the world as we find it

1077
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,640
carpenter is considered one of the

1078
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:12,560
founders of the modern theory of the

1079
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,359
adaptive

1080
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,000
unconscious a set of mental processes

1081
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,440
influencing judgment

1082
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,599
and decision-making in a way that is

1083
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:20,720
inaccessible

1084
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,400
to introspective awareness in 1852 he

1085
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,240
published a scientific paper

1086
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,839
on the means through which the ouija

1087
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,240
board produced its results

1088
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,160
in the paper he explained his theory

1089
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,599
that muscular movement can be

1090
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,480
independent

1091
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,200
of conscious desires or emotions and he

1092
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,640
coined the term

1093
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:41,280
idiomator effect to explain it which

1094
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:42,079
brings us back

1095
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,070
to where we started

1096
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,640
[Music]

1097
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:49,119
that's what goes around from the skeptic

1098
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:49,960
december

1099
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,359
2011 and you can find all copies of the

1100
00:47:21,670 --> 00:46:55,520
skeptic available to download

1101
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,430
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1102
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,160
zone and a big thank you as ever to my

1103
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,480
patreons and paypal supporters and

1104
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,319
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1105
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,839
patreons just in the last

1106
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,960
week it means an awful lot to me that

1107
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,119
means the show keeps going

1108
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,720
and it means people all around the world

1109
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,280
can continue to enjoy i hope

1110
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,599
i hope continue to enjoy the skeptic

1111
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,119
zone

1112
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,480
think it gives you

1113
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,880
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1114
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,240
giggle every week

1115
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,440
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1116
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,640
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1117
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,760
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1118
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,280
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1119
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,400
and while you're at skepticzone.tv

1120
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,440
have a look at the uh the show notes for

1121
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,800
this episode

1122
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:11,839
and you will see i've added a link for

1123
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,359
star trek continues and why i have added

1124
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,480
that link

1125
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,960
is because last week on the show well

1126
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,559
the last um

1127
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,440
last week's show the previous episode

1128
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,200
was dedicated to the memory of grant

1129
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,800
imahara

1130
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,200
mostly known from mythbusters but some

1131
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,559
of you may not know

1132
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,000
he also appeared as mr sulu in star

1133
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,280
trek continues an excellent series in

1134
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,319
the spirit

1135
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,599
and the style of the original star trek

1136
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,160
episodes from the 60s if you haven't

1137
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,240
seen star trek continues

1138
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,680
and you're a fan of uh grant yamahara or

1139
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,800
star trek then

1140
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,960
i think you should check it out i've

1141
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,119
watched it many times and uh

1142
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,920
it's very well done and very enjoyable

1143
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,839
coming up on next week's show

1144
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,440
um

1145
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:06,079
find out next week which probably means

1146
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,119
i haven't got

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anything lined up just yet

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that's the way it goes but for this week

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this is richard saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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hello to the people the afterthoughts

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the people who listen after the music

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let me adjust this level here i've got

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uh

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this is the part of the show where i get

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a die

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in this case ten sided roll it three

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times and see if you can use your

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predicting power

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to predict or your lucky guess

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or however you wish to do it helping me

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today is henrietta the cat

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henrietta do you want to say something

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see i think she just said meow hang on a

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second

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yes and a scratch now would you like to

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play the dice game

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we can play you can play it on the floor

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it's all right so here we go

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hold the dice three times three times

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first roll it's coming up

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and the roll is

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one one

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right that's one henny did you see that

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okay next roll

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[Music]

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e it's a susan gerbic

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otherwise known as number five one and

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five

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next one what do you think it's going to

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be henny

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she's not sure okay

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and the last number is one

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sort of symmetrical in a way one five

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and one did you get those henrietta

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i see

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and you can find all copies of the

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sceptic available to download

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from our website skeptics.com.iu

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for free and you get a free parrot with

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every issue

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and you get a free parrot and some other

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birds with every issue

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and you can help yourself to them thank

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you it's probably like me you know

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when you hear from day to day you don't

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even hear them but as soon as you start